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Homerhomer 07-27-2005 05:26 PM

good and never heard of
This forum has been awfull quiet as of late, I thought I wouls start a thread with what I consider to be fantastic galleries from photographers you most likely never heard of,
here is one on pbase, mostly bw street photos.
<a href="">Olivier Dienst</a>
Anyone else wants to link some hidden gems?

Galeota 07-27-2005 05:31 PM

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<a href="">Michael Kenna</a>

Homerhomer 07-27-2005 05:44 PM

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Kenna is good for sure, very accomplished photographer, just keep in mind that if you provide a link to someone who somebody is familiar with, you get 10 points taken away ;-)
Keep em coming

Here is another one.
<a href="">Ian MacEachern</a>

sohrab 07-27-2005 06:56 PM

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hey i haven't checked out this forum for months...................


michael kenna is one of the most famous fine art photographers in the world :) infact he also taught at the ICP

if we're talking famous photographers you might also find <a href="">jerry uelsman</a> very interesting. he was way ahead of the digital age.. he is the best when multiple exposures are concerned...

also it's a biggggggggggggg biggggggggggggggggggggggggggg pity that nobody has ever mentioned richard avedon in this forum...

<a href="">here</a> is a 'small' article on him.. ( small compared to his stature in the world of photography)

it is more or less useless to give any 1 link to his photographs because his works are scatterred all over.. i recommend that you do a search on his photographs.. there are just too many of them :)

however.. i'll start you off with a few of his photographs..

<a href="">here</a>

this guy ian maceachern is pretty good..
as far as his asylum photographs are concenred.. if i had not come across eugene richards ( who in my opinion is the most 'penetrating' photographer ) i might have been impressed.. but right now they don't even pinch me..
i'm saying this without any disrespect for the photographer.. it's just that i'm familiar with richards' work and so... it does not really throw me off my balance.. that's what i really look for in photographs :)

markgong 07-27-2005 08:04 PM

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I agree completely with the statement that Eugene Richards is the best at getting INTO the story. Just look through Fat Baby and you'll see the kind of stuff he goes through. The guy is a little nuts and does his share of drugs, but he is a genious at his craft. Just his ability to get right into a drug dealer's face and take photos without getting shot is astonishing.

I am not sure if anyone else has heard of <a href="">David LaChapelle</a>, but in my mind, he is probably the best and most inovative fashion photographer of this decade.

sohrab 07-27-2005 08:35 PM

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yes i've heard of david lachapelle.. but he's far from best for me.. he's a little too extravagant and doesn't have that classy/subtle touch..
it can get a little 'cheap' to be more precise..

i infact rate <a href="">max vadukul</a> way above him.. he has a kind of a flair.. avedon had that..

you're right about richards.. about him getting into the story and all that..

but i was actually being specific here.. about the asylum and all that..
saying this because i once talked a gentleman who's been working with the disabled for a long long time... and he was talking about photography where he mentioned that photographing the mentally disabled is tough.. most people just show 'madness' or 'loneliness' from a distance.. i don't know if you get what i mean...

i hope it's ok if i give some links to exemplify what i was trying to say.. sometimes it's hard to put all this down in words..

<a href=" K7O3R3G9ZPA&Pass=&Total=18&Pic=16&SubE=2K7O3RJVZ9W G">killer</a>
<a href=" K7O3R3G9ZPA&Pass=&Total=18&Pic=13&SubE=2K7O3RJVZP5 A">grandy</a>

these 2 photographs can make my heart sink.. ian's photographs are just another bunch of photographs from an asylum.
most photographers bring out the madness of the inmates..
richards brings out the humanity which makes his photographs extremely powerful..

what is special about his photographs is that they're full of contrasts and contradictions which makes his work very very powerful in my opinion.. something that i've been harping about for quite some time.. but nobody seems to try it out themselves :)

sorry gal/peter for talking about richards in this forum. i'll shut up now :)

Homerhomer 07-27-2005 09:11 PM

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Interesting take on Ian's asylum Sohrab, because I feel that he has presented it with great deal of humanity without the shock effect that many would inspire to do, hey makes it interesting if poeple can read it in different ways.
Either way I like him not just for the asylum but also his other images, perhaps they maybe too conservative for your liking, but I like it a whole lot.

Will get your links when I have time.

sohrab 07-27-2005 09:34 PM

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yeah..have a look when you have the time :)

as i said.. most photographers bring out the madness..
yes his photographs are more sober than others' but even then, his 'asylum' photographs are very empty.. i think it'll be better if you check out those links only.. i don't really know how to explain myself and will only manage in confusing everyone :)

i reeeeally like his industrial photographs though...

his prints seem very old.. any idea how long he's been photographing???

markgong 07-27-2005 09:43 PM

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I understand what you mean by insane asylum and bringing humanity to it. It's along the same line are your comment about war photography.

I think it's wrong to compare La Chapelle to Max Vadukul, because their style and audience is much different. They both have their strong and weak points. Chapelle is a master at lighting and creative expression where Max is more human in his portraits and fashion. Personally, I like my photo documentries to be human and fashion to be loud, expressive, and in your face...because after all, fashion is just as much about capturing one's attention as the clothing. I guess for me, it's like comparing Martin Parr to Eugene Richards.

sohrab 07-27-2005 10:33 PM

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yeah i guess you're right..
anyway i'm very new to fashion and hence quite finicky and all that :)
have to get used to it all..

helmut newton??
herb ritts??

Homerhomer 07-28-2005 05:28 PM

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he started in 1960s, more info and images on his website

sohrab 07-31-2005 09:34 AM

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<a href=""target="_blank">Esha Chiocchio</a>

<a href=""target="_blank">Carolyn Drake</a>

<a href=""target="_blank>"Yann Arthus Bertrand</a>

<a href=""target="_blank">Radhika Chalasani</a> you might find her photographs disturbing

<a href=""target="_blank">Steve Raymer</a>

more later

sohrab 07-31-2005 09:37 AM

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ok 2 more quickly...

<a href=""target=_"blank">joachim ladefoged</a>

<a href=""target="_blank">yann arthus bertrand</a>

jinju 07-31-2005 11:25 AM

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Great photos. I think that what makes so many of them so good is the access to great subjects. Kosovo, Somalia, etc. So many great photo opportunities.

kinginexile 08-29-2005 02:29 AM

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Thanks to all, great thread, numerous links. Don't expect too many TE critiques from me in the next couple days....I will try, OK, all i can promise! :-))))

(OFF for a few days, should not be too hard)

kinginexile 08-29-2005 02:34 AM

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well, since we added people who are not totally unknown, I will add someone whom i thing has great style for a travel photographer:

I also find Yan Layma shots of China, awesome, but was not able to google out a personal site. you may want to try yourself.

MKING 09-05-2005 05:03 PM

Two of my favourites:
<a href="" target="blank">Hin Chua</a>

<a href="" target="blank">Peter Chou</a>

Both are street/documentary photographers (I really should begin to look more closely at other genres but this is the one I always come back to).

Schultzy 09-06-2005 11:38 PM

A great street / candid photographer
I really like the work of this Austrian artist

gringofil 09-07-2005 07:35 AM

Re: A great street / candid photographer
This is not street photography...this is a guy with a 200mm lens going around town and stealing shots of girls. Kind of stalker territory if you ask me. Street photography (or "candid" if you want) should be done up-close and personal (with a short lens)...something this Austrian guy wouldn't have to balls to do. Cheers!

Schultzy 09-07-2005 06:17 PM

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Hello Filip,
It's an opinion, but I still find that some shots of this serie are really great. Some people realize the situation and most of them take pleasure to do it or at least are smiling.
But you're right, street photography can be done close-up, I also perfer this way because you can have contacts with people.

jinju 09-08-2005 10:31 AM

Re: A great street / candid photographer
I agree with Filip. This guy isnt a good street phtographer, as he is basically stealing shots from far away. Honest street photography involves a short lens. Theres been a thread here about long lenses being for cowards. In street photography this is definately the case.

gringofil 09-08-2005 06:06 PM

Re: A great street / candid photographer
"It's an opinion, but I still find that some shots of this serie are really great."

I'm not the only one who thinks this way. Trust me, this is not street photography, mate, this is some guy trying to be a paparazzi.

But you said that some are "really great"...which ones?

"Some people realize the situation and most of them take pleasure to do it or at least are smiling."

I doubt that any of the people he photographed were aware of it. If they were, their faces would not be filled with smiles...more with anger. There are a few faces in that gallery that look as if they spotted him and don't look too happy about it.

gringofil 09-08-2005 06:08 PM

Re: A great street / candid photographer
Thanks Rafal. I really hate these kinds of shots...and there are a lot of people on PBase that do this kind of photography.

Schultzy 09-08-2005 10:16 PM

Some smiles....
Hello Filip,
I think this subject don't need to turn into a polemic.
I agree with you about the concept of "street photography", but I still think that this photographer as some great shots in his portfolio :

Some smiles :

Some nice pics ( in my opinion ):

I also agree with you, you're not the only one who think this way, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who find that some of these shots a really nice.
Good evening,

jinju 09-09-2005 09:10 AM

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heheh I left him a comment with a link to an article maciej posted here before called "Telephotos are for cowards" :) No response yet.

jinju 09-09-2005 09:15 AM

Re: Some smiles....
Its not so much about it being nice as the issue of how they were taken. They are nice in that they look nice. But so what? They are dishonest and cowardly IMO. I think a lot of importance has to be attached to the means we take photos. Its not like the ends (a nice image) justifies the means. You know? Im sure Filip will know what Im talking about, I think he critiqued a photos from Thailand where the photographer had waited 10 minutes after being told by her subject that she didnt want her photo taken. The photographer waited 10 minutes (yes, ten, not a typo) for her "opprtunity" and then clicked anyway JUST TO CLICK. The photo is nice, but the way it was taken is not. Can you imagine being basically stalked for 10 minuted and something done to you that you didnt want? In the end the photo has a girl covering her face, obvious why. The photographer laments that she "couldnt do what she wanted". So you see, nice images are not reason enough to go to any length to take them.

jinju 09-09-2005 09:17 AM

Filip didnt critique it, but Im sure he would be interested in doing so. Just look at the critiques I gave, around the 3rd or 4th page.

gringofil 09-09-2005 10:41 AM

Re: Sorry
Now I did...

gringofil 09-09-2005 10:43 AM

Re: Some smiles....
This is not good photography. Sure, a woman may simile, but for every smile there is an angry face. One of the links you gave me shows a woman that spotted the photographer and she's not too happy about it. Anyway, this is not my cup of tea and I don't respect people who engage in such photography. Simple.

gringofil 09-09-2005 10:44 AM

Re: Some smiles....
Well said, Rafal.

gringofil 09-09-2005 03:40 PM

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...and after I did the shot got deleted. That was a damn fine critique I've written there.

maciekda 09-09-2005 04:18 PM

Re: A great street / candid photographer
couldn't find your comment in his gallery...

and i don't like this kind of 'photography' either

jinju 09-09-2005 04:25 PM

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I know your brutal hoinesty sometimes. Would LOVE to have seen it. To me, it was simply thge most offensive photo I have seen here. Not for the image itself but for the way it was shot.

jinju 09-09-2005 04:26 PM

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I guess he deleted it :) I hope he atleast read the article.

jinju 09-09-2005 04:33 PM

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Id love to get atleast the gist of what you said. I know your strong feelings on this, stronger than mine as you are more of a street photographer than me. I was going to be a lot more brutally honest but decided to be more gentle.

MKING 09-10-2005 12:58 AM

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I've seen links to that gallery before, largely over at the DPReview Nikon forum where it's used as a "look how sharp this guy's lens is" kinda comment. If you scroll down that list to the comments below the gallery look for one written by "jim". I think that says it all...

tongapup 09-10-2005 05:40 AM

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That guy's shots are just damn creepy! I'm sorry but there ain't nothing artful about any of those shots... check out <a href="" target=_blank">this</a> number -- what is the purpose of a shot like this other than to give up-skirt peepers and voyeurs a frisson? If it weren't already obvious, all you have to do is read the comments on his photos -- it's like a club of like-minded peepers. The act of photographing these women is essentially harmless but totally lacking in class or integrity of any kind. I wasn't going to weigh in hree but it occurred to me that perhaps some male photogs may not even know that this kind of thing is NOT appreciated by the majority of subjects and can in fact be frightening to some. So, it would be a tactful thing -- if he really "likes" the girls as much as he seems to -- to consider their feelings and stop taking cowardly peeper-type pics.

This has been a public service announcement from a member of the fair sex.

gringofil 09-10-2005 06:59 AM

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Love that comment about "more ass"...who are these people?

gringofil 09-10-2005 07:00 AM

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Thanks for your feedback here, Lisan.

jinju 09-10-2005 07:59 AM

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Write him something. I just did under that photo. The guy is a total creep.

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